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	<title>Comments on: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr: King Coal Pillages Beautiful Land</title>
	<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87</link>
	<description>END MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL COAL MINING IN APPALACHIA!</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lance Schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-66031</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-66031</guid>
		<description>"How much better it is to get wisdom than gold! And to get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver" Proverbs 16:16 King Solomon

Speaking as personified wisdom, Solomon wrote: "Receive my instruction, and not silver, and knowledge rather than choice gold; for wisdom is better than rubies, and all the things one may desire cannot be compared with her." 

Proverbs 8:10-11

Lloyd Blankfein is doing the work of God. The God of mammon. The God of rebellion. The God of perdition. The God of the flesh. The God of the Beast of Babylon's snare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How much better it is to get wisdom than gold! And to get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver&#8221; Proverbs 16:16 King Solomon</p>
<p>Speaking as personified wisdom, Solomon wrote: &#8220;Receive my instruction, and not silver, and knowledge rather than choice gold; for wisdom is better than rubies, and all the things one may desire cannot be compared with her.&#8221; </p>
<p>Proverbs 8:10-11</p>
<p>Lloyd Blankfein is doing the work of God. The God of mammon. The God of rebellion. The God of perdition. The God of the flesh. The God of the Beast of Babylon&#8217;s snare.</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65929</link>
		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65929</guid>
		<description>Lance Schultz - Does that mean surface mining coal companies are doing gods work?  The way I read that passage, it says that GOD will thresh the mountains, not coal companies.

I think the companies are just making a quick profit, paying a small group very well, and poisoning peoples water and permanently impoverishing Appalachian communities in the process.

Coal miners deserve safe, good paying jobs, and coalfield communities deserve clean drinking water and a prosperous future.  In the long term, mountaintop removal coal mining and its associated valley fills certainly do not provide these things. 

Lets work TOGETHER for a clean, safe, and prosperous future for Appalachian people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance Schultz - Does that mean surface mining coal companies are doing gods work?  The way I read that passage, it says that GOD will thresh the mountains, not coal companies.</p>
<p>I think the companies are just making a quick profit, paying a small group very well, and poisoning peoples water and permanently impoverishing Appalachian communities in the process.</p>
<p>Coal miners deserve safe, good paying jobs, and coalfield communities deserve clean drinking water and a prosperous future.  In the long term, mountaintop removal coal mining and its associated valley fills certainly do not provide these things. </p>
<p>Lets work TOGETHER for a clean, safe, and prosperous future for Appalachian people!</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65924</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65924</guid>
		<description>Nothing infuriates the GAIA worship enviro's like the Word of God:

"Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff. Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel. When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will NOT forsake them. I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water. I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: that they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it." 
[Isaiah 41:14-20]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing infuriates the GAIA worship enviro&#8217;s like the Word of God:</p>
<p>&#8220;Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff. Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel. When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will NOT forsake them. I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water. I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: that they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.&#8221;<br />
[Isaiah 41:14-20]</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Wimer</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-61040</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Wimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-61040</guid>
		<description>What is the difference between stripping the mountainside for coal or stripping the mountainside to put in a big box store/shopping complex?  I believe the coal industry pays it employees much more than any of the big box stores/shopping centers. How many people do you see fighting against a big Super-Walmart, or a strip mall going in where they stripped away the trees &#38; earth to build their big mammoth stores?  People you need to get a life and leave the Coal Miners alone.  I love mountains too, but I would much rather see coal mining going on, than seeing a shopping center going in which destroys the earth  as much as coal mining.  There is no difference.  If your gonna fight against one company for doing something, then you need to fight against all, and not just single out the ones that don't cater to your lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between stripping the mountainside for coal or stripping the mountainside to put in a big box store/shopping complex?  I believe the coal industry pays it employees much more than any of the big box stores/shopping centers. How many people do you see fighting against a big Super-Walmart, or a strip mall going in where they stripped away the trees &amp; earth to build their big mammoth stores?  People you need to get a life and leave the Coal Miners alone.  I love mountains too, but I would much rather see coal mining going on, than seeing a shopping center going in which destroys the earth  as much as coal mining.  There is no difference.  If your gonna fight against one company for doing something, then you need to fight against all, and not just single out the ones that don&#8217;t cater to your lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorien MacAuley</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58982</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorien MacAuley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58982</guid>
		<description>Who's up for solar panels, anyone?

In West Virginia, the coal industry is really good at one thing: intimidating people. They say they have jobs, jobs, jobs. The truth is, MTR coal mining employs only a tiny fraction of underground mining, and the numbers of jobs are inflated by the coal lobby to exaggerate their numbers. Coal miners are encouraged to be angry (and thus irrational) about regulation, which they get uber-emotional about, and are encouraged by their bosses to think of as an attempt to starve their family. The companies even pay miners to show up at hearings in their reflective uniforms, like the Army Corps of Engineers hearing in Charleston in October, and threaten death to those who have legitimate anti-coal statements. They tend to forget that their larger community has been wiped out by the boom-bust cycles of coal, and the coal companies are responsible for the bad shape of their own hometown. They don't have options. Because they are one of the lucky few who may have a fairly decent job (if you can stand your body wasting away), they are desperate to hold on to it because there are so few options. The coal companies really benefit from the sheer desperation that they themselves have created. They have a clear incentive to keep creating that desperation - if you were a smart business person, wouldn't you notice and enjoy this position of advantage? The coal companies are shrewd, savvy business people who very deliberately create this situation. But so are we. This must change. They can't keep doing this to our communities. 

I believe in Appalachia, and I believe in the people of Appalachia overcoming their fear of these blatant intimidation/control tactics, and beating this sickly situation.

This is why solar panels shall prevail! And conserve... get energy-efficient applicances, retrofit your home, doors, windows, etc, and CONSERVE. We must squash the argument "Coal, it keeps the lights on..." well it only takes a small community-owned wind turbine to heat and light a holler of energy-efficient homes! So let's move on the next thing and defeat the coal industry's dirty tactics. I just want you to know... I just turned my lights off, man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s up for solar panels, anyone?</p>
<p>In West Virginia, the coal industry is really good at one thing: intimidating people. They say they have jobs, jobs, jobs. The truth is, MTR coal mining employs only a tiny fraction of underground mining, and the numbers of jobs are inflated by the coal lobby to exaggerate their numbers. Coal miners are encouraged to be angry (and thus irrational) about regulation, which they get uber-emotional about, and are encouraged by their bosses to think of as an attempt to starve their family. The companies even pay miners to show up at hearings in their reflective uniforms, like the Army Corps of Engineers hearing in Charleston in October, and threaten death to those who have legitimate anti-coal statements. They tend to forget that their larger community has been wiped out by the boom-bust cycles of coal, and the coal companies are responsible for the bad shape of their own hometown. They don&#8217;t have options. Because they are one of the lucky few who may have a fairly decent job (if you can stand your body wasting away), they are desperate to hold on to it because there are so few options. The coal companies really benefit from the sheer desperation that they themselves have created. They have a clear incentive to keep creating that desperation - if you were a smart business person, wouldn&#8217;t you notice and enjoy this position of advantage? The coal companies are shrewd, savvy business people who very deliberately create this situation. But so are we. This must change. They can&#8217;t keep doing this to our communities. </p>
<p>I believe in Appalachia, and I believe in the people of Appalachia overcoming their fear of these blatant intimidation/control tactics, and beating this sickly situation.</p>
<p>This is why solar panels shall prevail! And conserve&#8230; get energy-efficient applicances, retrofit your home, doors, windows, etc, and CONSERVE. We must squash the argument &#8220;Coal, it keeps the lights on&#8230;&#8221; well it only takes a small community-owned wind turbine to heat and light a holler of energy-efficient homes! So let&#8217;s move on the next thing and defeat the coal industry&#8217;s dirty tactics. I just want you to know&#8230; I just turned my lights off, man!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58437</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58437</guid>
		<description>I live in Appalachia and im curious as to how the coal industry has brought poverty to Appalachia.  The coal companies provide millions anually in tax dollars and many high paying jobs.  The high poverty levels are noy due to coal, I can name several companies that I have visited in the last two months that have multiple job openings that have gone unfilled because the majority of people can't pass a drug test, and also people have gotten used to getting a handout from the government, people dont want to work.  Why would a company be interested in moving to a place where they couldn't find hardworking employees that could pass a drug test. 

I am a Mining Engineering student at The University of Kentucky.  I have news for the environmentalist that think coal will disappear in the next decade or so; Your Wrong. Coal is here for the long haul, If cap and trade passes, guess who will pay the bill, you the final consumer.  The company burning the fuel will be the one who will be charged the tax, in turn they will charge three or four times what they do now per kw-hour.  So your electric bill will triple.

As we move into the future there are many things that need to be discussed in order to improve our overall economic and energy situation.  We need to look into renewable resources, at the time there are multiple clean uses for coal; coal liquification and gasification can be improved to burn cleaner and offer independance from the middle east oil companies.  Carbon capture technology is here and available in the future, projects to build the future power plants are already in the works.  These uses for coal will reduce pollutantant emissions and would bennefit our nation by making us more energy independant and create jobs here at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Appalachia and im curious as to how the coal industry has brought poverty to Appalachia.  The coal companies provide millions anually in tax dollars and many high paying jobs.  The high poverty levels are noy due to coal, I can name several companies that I have visited in the last two months that have multiple job openings that have gone unfilled because the majority of people can&#8217;t pass a drug test, and also people have gotten used to getting a handout from the government, people dont want to work.  Why would a company be interested in moving to a place where they couldn&#8217;t find hardworking employees that could pass a drug test. </p>
<p>I am a Mining Engineering student at The University of Kentucky.  I have news for the environmentalist that think coal will disappear in the next decade or so; Your Wrong. Coal is here for the long haul, If cap and trade passes, guess who will pay the bill, you the final consumer.  The company burning the fuel will be the one who will be charged the tax, in turn they will charge three or four times what they do now per kw-hour.  So your electric bill will triple.</p>
<p>As we move into the future there are many things that need to be discussed in order to improve our overall economic and energy situation.  We need to look into renewable resources, at the time there are multiple clean uses for coal; coal liquification and gasification can be improved to burn cleaner and offer independance from the middle east oil companies.  Carbon capture technology is here and available in the future, projects to build the future power plants are already in the works.  These uses for coal will reduce pollutantant emissions and would bennefit our nation by making us more energy independant and create jobs here at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Thacker</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-57386</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-57386</guid>
		<description>Stopping MTR will not destroy the coal buseness in E. Ky. It will force them to mine it like we did for over 100 years without destroying the deciduous forest of Central Appalachia. Yes you can blow up mountains and push them over into pristine valley's and cover up fresh water streams for about 4 dollars a ton. Yes it takes about 20 dollars a ton to mine coal with the underground method and it will raise the price of a ton of coal. It will also cause the coal corporations to hire about 5 times as many men to mine it and put some real money back into these communities in the Southeastern Coal Fields. They mine coal right now both strip and underground and sometimes by the same coal corporation at the same time. The MTR method could not be done under the 77 Surface Mine Act, had to be adopted by admiistrative order bought by coal corporation lobbyist. It is a relatively new practice when compared to the span of time we have been mining in these mountains ad was even in 77 illegal, you had to put the overburden back on the original contour. It is  not like we are taking something away that is established as a proper mining technique. What George Bush did to the Clean Water portion of the EPA regs and the 77 Surface and reclamation Act we can change by administrative order. The so called midnight regs every presidet rams through for his lobby friends. 
We can mine coal right and have more jobs doing it. The coal is owned by out of state interest, the coal corporations are owned by out of state interest. The only real money we ever had in the coal communtiy was when about every house in every hollow had an underground miner in it.
In the early 80's when oil dropped to $20 a barrel and the bottom dropped out of the coal market is when the Eastern coal corporations truned to Moutain Top Removal Stripping to keep up with the Western Low sulfur coal market dumping steam coal on the market cheaper than they could mine it underground.
Guess what it is easier to strip 80 to 100 ft. thick seams on prarie lands than to strip in the mountains in deciduous forest. It is also easier to reclaim grass land than deciduous forest, don't mean you can do MTR just of try to compete at the expense of the environment and clear water streams.
If you stop MTR they will mine it right, like we did for over 100 years. The coal is in the ground, paid for and they are paying unmined mineral tax on it. You trying to tell me they will just let it lay there if there is a demand.
My family susistance farmed before they logged the first cut timber and run it down the river to cattletsburg. When the coal was discovered we mined coal. My father died in the mines. You tell me we can't do anything else but mine coal for a living. The rest of the country has a lot more than we do and they don't mine coal.
Coal corporations have exploited this area for over 100 years and still have their foot on our throats. Damn a coal corporation and a coal job, we can dig the stuff for them as we always have. We take any bone they throw us and dig with it. We just don't have to destroy the place our fathers handed down to us for a coal corporations bottom line anymore. Mine it right or leave it in the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stopping MTR will not destroy the coal buseness in E. Ky. It will force them to mine it like we did for over 100 years without destroying the deciduous forest of Central Appalachia. Yes you can blow up mountains and push them over into pristine valley&#8217;s and cover up fresh water streams for about 4 dollars a ton. Yes it takes about 20 dollars a ton to mine coal with the underground method and it will raise the price of a ton of coal. It will also cause the coal corporations to hire about 5 times as many men to mine it and put some real money back into these communities in the Southeastern Coal Fields. They mine coal right now both strip and underground and sometimes by the same coal corporation at the same time. The MTR method could not be done under the 77 Surface Mine Act, had to be adopted by admiistrative order bought by coal corporation lobbyist. It is a relatively new practice when compared to the span of time we have been mining in these mountains ad was even in 77 illegal, you had to put the overburden back on the original contour. It is  not like we are taking something away that is established as a proper mining technique. What George Bush did to the Clean Water portion of the EPA regs and the 77 Surface and reclamation Act we can change by administrative order. The so called midnight regs every presidet rams through for his lobby friends.<br />
We can mine coal right and have more jobs doing it. The coal is owned by out of state interest, the coal corporations are owned by out of state interest. The only real money we ever had in the coal communtiy was when about every house in every hollow had an underground miner in it.<br />
In the early 80&#8217;s when oil dropped to $20 a barrel and the bottom dropped out of the coal market is when the Eastern coal corporations truned to Moutain Top Removal Stripping to keep up with the Western Low sulfur coal market dumping steam coal on the market cheaper than they could mine it underground.<br />
Guess what it is easier to strip 80 to 100 ft. thick seams on prarie lands than to strip in the mountains in deciduous forest. It is also easier to reclaim grass land than deciduous forest, don&#8217;t mean you can do MTR just of try to compete at the expense of the environment and clear water streams.<br />
If you stop MTR they will mine it right, like we did for over 100 years. The coal is in the ground, paid for and they are paying unmined mineral tax on it. You trying to tell me they will just let it lay there if there is a demand.<br />
My family susistance farmed before they logged the first cut timber and run it down the river to cattletsburg. When the coal was discovered we mined coal. My father died in the mines. You tell me we can&#8217;t do anything else but mine coal for a living. The rest of the country has a lot more than we do and they don&#8217;t mine coal.<br />
Coal corporations have exploited this area for over 100 years and still have their foot on our throats. Damn a coal corporation and a coal job, we can dig the stuff for them as we always have. We take any bone they throw us and dig with it. We just don&#8217;t have to destroy the place our fathers handed down to us for a coal corporations bottom line anymore. Mine it right or leave it in the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: CarlaD80</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-46209</link>
		<dc:creator>CarlaD80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-46209</guid>
		<description>"The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don’t think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened,"

And just what type of life do you imagine for your children, eve?  Does it include the possibily of birth defects, and a polluted environment to grow up in? 

Indeed, plenty of people lose jobs and have to move, or learn new skills everyday. Thats LIFE.  

That may not be fair, but it's not fair for the rest of the population to have to suffer the consequences -the destruction, pollution, or poisoning- due to the dirty coal industry, either. 

We are moving into cleaner, sustainable energy to preserve the very land that sustains the people. It's not going to be easy for those who are stuck in the old ways. But everyone will have to adapt and grow with it. The only way to go now, is forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don’t think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened,&#8221;</p>
<p>And just what type of life do you imagine for your children, eve?  Does it include the possibily of birth defects, and a polluted environment to grow up in? </p>
<p>Indeed, plenty of people lose jobs and have to move, or learn new skills everyday. Thats LIFE.  </p>
<p>That may not be fair, but it&#8217;s not fair for the rest of the population to have to suffer the consequences -the destruction, pollution, or poisoning- due to the dirty coal industry, either. </p>
<p>We are moving into cleaner, sustainable energy to preserve the very land that sustains the people. It&#8217;s not going to be easy for those who are stuck in the old ways. But everyone will have to adapt and grow with it. The only way to go now, is forward.</p>
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		<title>By: eve1979</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45134</link>
		<dc:creator>eve1979</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45134</guid>
		<description>Hey,

be an eviromentalist, in whatever form. But don't sit there and stratch your head, wandering why someone who stands to lose so much would disagree with you. At least have the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes.

If your honestly too selfish to understand why people who live in a mining community aren't overjoyed with the idea of having to find a new job where they would be the lowest paid, bottom of the ladder after years of building a career in a certain industry, and possibly having to pick up and move away for said crappy job....then you just need to keep your mouth shut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>be an eviromentalist, in whatever form. But don&#8217;t sit there and stratch your head, wandering why someone who stands to lose so much would disagree with you. At least have the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes.</p>
<p>If your honestly too selfish to understand why people who live in a mining community aren&#8217;t overjoyed with the idea of having to find a new job where they would be the lowest paid, bottom of the ladder after years of building a career in a certain industry, and possibly having to pick up and move away for said crappy job&#8230;.then you just need to keep your mouth shut.</p>
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		<title>By: eve1979</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45133</link>
		<dc:creator>eve1979</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45133</guid>
		<description>"Well Mike, let me tell you the difference between a mountain top removal and an urban development. An urban development is a place necessary for humans to live, you know cover, warmth and security close to a worksite." (Larry)

"You can say that this kind of mining is keeping food on your table, but that’s just whiny. Plenty of people lose jobs and have to move or learn new skills every day. That’s capitalism." (John Fisher) 

So I guess that Appalachians must not be human, and therefore do not deserve places to live, jobs, warmth and security close to a worksite. Wow, what a hypocritical peice of selfish, arrogant shit you are. What Micheal was trying to say, Larry, is that people from all over this country have mined thier land, destroyed thier natural beauty, and built and developed upon the aftermath. Now they come to us, telling us how we're too stupid to know what's good for us and we're just being lied to by "King Coal". We must be brainwashed, that's it!! It's repulsive, to be honest with you. 

And for John Fisher:

I'm not the type of person that wishes for bad things to happen to people, but for you I'll make an exception.

The day that someone threatens to take not only your livelyhood but the livelyhood of everyone around you, I hope they tell you to quit your whining. The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don't think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened, I hope someone tells you that your just being a baby. I hope that a day comes when people (who think your less than dirt anyway) try to take everything you've worked for from you. That's life, sorry. My college professor said it so it must be so. You're just too subhuman to know what's good for you anyway.......haha stupid rednecks.

You guys seem to live in some sort of fairy tale were jobs come easy, and the mountain behind your house is more important that the lives of thousands of people. Oh sure, all of those surface miners will have a job just waiting for them at some other company where they have zero training/experience when they're 56 years old! There's no problem!!  La la la le la di doo!

Some of you want to stick our miners back underground. You can blow your statistics out your ass, anyone who lives here knows that underground miners have one of the hardest, unhealthy, and most dangerous jobs on the planet. 

There's nothing wrong with being an enviromentalist. There's nothing wrong with people working with the mining industry to try to find ways of better protecting the enviroment. There's nothing wrong with promoting awareness of the impact of MTR. T
There's something wrong with being a selfish, unsympathetic half ass enviromentalist who's main contribution is to troll on the internet and upset other people who REALLY have something to lose. Do you understand what I mean? You have an opinion, an agenda. That's not a whole lot of stake compared to your opposition; people who stand to lose a lot more than a belief....DO YOU GET IT?

But you have your job, warmth and security don't you? If it's not happening to you, then why should you care about anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well Mike, let me tell you the difference between a mountain top removal and an urban development. An urban development is a place necessary for humans to live, you know cover, warmth and security close to a worksite.&#8221; (Larry)</p>
<p>&#8220;You can say that this kind of mining is keeping food on your table, but that’s just whiny. Plenty of people lose jobs and have to move or learn new skills every day. That’s capitalism.&#8221; (John Fisher) </p>
<p>So I guess that Appalachians must not be human, and therefore do not deserve places to live, jobs, warmth and security close to a worksite. Wow, what a hypocritical peice of selfish, arrogant shit you are. What Micheal was trying to say, Larry, is that people from all over this country have mined thier land, destroyed thier natural beauty, and built and developed upon the aftermath. Now they come to us, telling us how we&#8217;re too stupid to know what&#8217;s good for us and we&#8217;re just being lied to by &#8220;King Coal&#8221;. We must be brainwashed, that&#8217;s it!! It&#8217;s repulsive, to be honest with you. </p>
<p>And for John Fisher:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the type of person that wishes for bad things to happen to people, but for you I&#8217;ll make an exception.</p>
<p>The day that someone threatens to take not only your livelyhood but the livelyhood of everyone around you, I hope they tell you to quit your whining. The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don&#8217;t think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened, I hope someone tells you that your just being a baby. I hope that a day comes when people (who think your less than dirt anyway) try to take everything you&#8217;ve worked for from you. That&#8217;s life, sorry. My college professor said it so it must be so. You&#8217;re just too subhuman to know what&#8217;s good for you anyway&#8230;&#8230;.haha stupid rednecks.</p>
<p>You guys seem to live in some sort of fairy tale were jobs come easy, and the mountain behind your house is more important that the lives of thousands of people. Oh sure, all of those surface miners will have a job just waiting for them at some other company where they have zero training/experience when they&#8217;re 56 years old! There&#8217;s no problem!!  La la la le la di doo!</p>
<p>Some of you want to stick our miners back underground. You can blow your statistics out your ass, anyone who lives here knows that underground miners have one of the hardest, unhealthy, and most dangerous jobs on the planet. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being an enviromentalist. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with people working with the mining industry to try to find ways of better protecting the enviroment. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with promoting awareness of the impact of MTR. T<br />
There&#8217;s something wrong with being a selfish, unsympathetic half ass enviromentalist who&#8217;s main contribution is to troll on the internet and upset other people who REALLY have something to lose. Do you understand what I mean? You have an opinion, an agenda. That&#8217;s not a whole lot of stake compared to your opposition; people who stand to lose a lot more than a belief&#8230;.DO YOU GET IT?</p>
<p>But you have your job, warmth and security don&#8217;t you? If it&#8217;s not happening to you, then why should you care about anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Al Justice</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-39729</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-39729</guid>
		<description>The bottom lines: 
...central Appalachia is being sacrificed for coal. 
...regions on the perimeter, not the core producing region is benefiting though the wealth flowing from the coal. 
...the economies of the core region are devastated already, and the dysfunctional politics of the region are supporting the environment. 
...fresh water in adjacent regions, will suffer.  Remember the dust bowl.  Actually farmers in Oklahoma could not accept their role either. 
... central Appalachia is among the oldest most diverse mountains on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom lines:<br />
&#8230;central Appalachia is being sacrificed for coal.<br />
&#8230;regions on the perimeter, not the core producing region is benefiting though the wealth flowing from the coal.<br />
&#8230;the economies of the core region are devastated already, and the dysfunctional politics of the region are supporting the environment.<br />
&#8230;fresh water in adjacent regions, will suffer.  Remember the dust bowl.  Actually farmers in Oklahoma could not accept their role either.<br />
&#8230; central Appalachia is among the oldest most diverse mountains on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: You are connected to mountaintop removal &#124; informacion relacionada a google</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-38653</link>
		<dc:creator>You are connected to mountaintop removal &#124; informacion relacionada a google</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-38653</guid>
		<description>[...] the American people could see what I have seen from the air and ground during my many trips to the coalfields of Kentucky and West Virginia: leveled mountains, devastated communities, wrecked economies and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the American people could see what I have seen from the air and ground during my many trips to the coalfields of Kentucky and West Virginia: leveled mountains, devastated communities, wrecked economies and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-29742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-29742</guid>
		<description>Before today I never heard of mountain top removal mining. I am shocked in two ways. First because I never heard of it and even more because it exists. Every year I travel from my home in Pennsylvania to Florida and I pass through West Virginia on Rt 79 and 19 and 76 and all I notice is beautiful mountain scenery and think of John Denver songs. 

I know many people from West Virginia because of pitching horseshoes with them both in WV and PA. Years of visiting the state and meeting with many residents and driving through and still no clue about MTR! I admit I am not much of a detective but it seems to me that you are seriously in need of public exposure if you ever want that tragic rape of your land to stop. And it must stop. From what I have read today both here and other websites, it is obvious that this has the potential to spread like a cancer througout the entire Appalachia range and even farther.

This is an election year. It's a perfect time to make noise about this and make it a campaign issue in every contested race from local to state to national. Speak out now or forever regret the loss. The vast majority of people in America will understand that this practice exists only because of greed and corruption and that the mountains, valleys, streams and people are far more important than a few dollars in some corporate bottom line and in the pockets of some corrupt bottom feeding pubic servants. Let the people know and the polititians will have to respond or lose their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before today I never heard of mountain top removal mining. I am shocked in two ways. First because I never heard of it and even more because it exists. Every year I travel from my home in Pennsylvania to Florida and I pass through West Virginia on Rt 79 and 19 and 76 and all I notice is beautiful mountain scenery and think of John Denver songs. </p>
<p>I know many people from West Virginia because of pitching horseshoes with them both in WV and PA. Years of visiting the state and meeting with many residents and driving through and still no clue about MTR! I admit I am not much of a detective but it seems to me that you are seriously in need of public exposure if you ever want that tragic rape of your land to stop. And it must stop. From what I have read today both here and other websites, it is obvious that this has the potential to spread like a cancer througout the entire Appalachia range and even farther.</p>
<p>This is an election year. It&#8217;s a perfect time to make noise about this and make it a campaign issue in every contested race from local to state to national. Speak out now or forever regret the loss. The vast majority of people in America will understand that this practice exists only because of greed and corruption and that the mountains, valleys, streams and people are far more important than a few dollars in some corporate bottom line and in the pockets of some corrupt bottom feeding pubic servants. Let the people know and the polititians will have to respond or lose their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Nancy Manring</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27900</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Nancy Manring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27900</guid>
		<description>Can you send me a direct link to any of the pro-mountain top mining commercials by Walker/Cat (the cartoon bug, etc.)

I'd love to show my students.  (When I first saw the cartoon bug on TV I thought I was hallucinating at first).

Thanks,
Nancy Manring</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you send me a direct link to any of the pro-mountain top mining commercials by Walker/Cat (the cartoon bug, etc.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to show my students.  (When I first saw the cartoon bug on TV I thought I was hallucinating at first).</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Nancy Manring</p>
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		<title>By: Caroll Shelby</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27338</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroll Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27338</guid>
		<description>I like what yall are doing here. This is an important topic. We here at SHELBY COBRA are very interested and are working on a hybrid mustang. e-mail me for ideas or comments.
Thanks,
Caroll Shelby

my e-mail is my_shelby_mustang_gt@yahoo.com 
anybody can send me something.i'm listed as Matt Oltray just for protection against hackars. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what yall are doing here. This is an important topic. We here at SHELBY COBRA are very interested and are working on a hybrid mustang. e-mail me for ideas or comments.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Caroll Shelby</p>
<p>my e-mail is <a href="mailto:my_shelby_mustang_gt@yahoo.com">my_shelby_mustang_gt@yahoo.com</a><br />
anybody can send me something.i&#8217;m listed as Matt Oltray just for protection against hackars. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: PATRICK</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27163</link>
		<dc:creator>PATRICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-27163</guid>
		<description>GO TO AMERICASPOWER&#62;ORG AND LT THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. IT IS FULL OF PROPANDA FROM THE COAL INDUSTRY.BARACK OBAMA IS FOR SO CALLED CLEAN COAL. JUST TOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO TO AMERICASPOWER&gt;ORG AND LT THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. IT IS FULL OF PROPANDA FROM THE COAL INDUSTRY.BARACK OBAMA IS FOR SO CALLED CLEAN COAL. JUST TOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly O.</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-26952</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-26952</guid>
		<description>Please read this article and the other articles linked within it:
"Don Blankenship: Seventh Scariest Person in America"
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/164045/58</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this article and the other articles linked within it:<br />
&#8220;Don Blankenship: Seventh Scariest Person in America&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/164045/58" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/164045/58</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Thacker</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25982</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25982</guid>
		<description>Well Mike, let me tell you the difference between a mountain top removal and an urban development. An urban development is a place necessary for humans to live, you know cover, warmth and security close to a worksite. A Mountain Top Removal that also includes a valley fill is a cheap attempt to stay competitive with western coalfields that  have 10 times less sulfur in their coal and thick seams that lay close to the surface and land that is already flat. A mountain top removal is done only to compete or to try to obtain some kind of cost equity with western coal competition. No eastern coal company will ever tell you that. They are supposed to put the overburden back on the mountain with original contour stripping and did for years. Itâ€™s just cheaper to push the overburden into a pristine valley and cover up a fresh water stream. No one gives damn about a coal companyâ€™s bottom line especially when the money for the most part goes out of state. In drift shaft at least we get a little trade off, more miners putting real money into local communities. You do not do MTRâ€™s just for cost effectiveness and justify the environmental damage. 
   We destroy a lot of mountains when we try to build a good road in or out of here. That also is a necessary part of modern life, the need for safe efficient transportation. There is absolutely no need to do MTRâ€™s on the 7% they have already done as you say, except for greed. If MTR is stopped they will mine like they are supposed to, oil at 106 a barrel, you bet your sweet a*# they will go underground and mine it if that is the only way we allow them to get if. Out west when the ore weather it be silver or gold got down to a certain level per ton they did not blow up their mountains just to get the last grain. They stopped hydraulic mining out there a hundred years ago. Even in the Appalachian mountains of the north or south, just try this crap. Try to do MTR, in New York State, Pennsylvania or any other part of the Appalachian chain. What makes the coal corporations think they can come down to W.Va or East Kentucky and get by with it long term. 
   If you believe the hogwash about raising utility rates if you stop MTR then you just contradicted yourself. If we are only doing 7-3% MTR and 65% of the steam coal comes from out west, how do you see an increase over the 7-3%? If you stop MTR they will still strip just have to put it back on the original contour, they will not stop mining it, just cost them a little more than getting to shove all the overburden into a pristine valley. They run some pretty slick commercials for national consumption, scaring people about cost and losing the electricity. Down here in Ky. And W.Va. they just use cartoons. Which one did you fall for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mike, let me tell you the difference between a mountain top removal and an urban development. An urban development is a place necessary for humans to live, you know cover, warmth and security close to a worksite. A Mountain Top Removal that also includes a valley fill is a cheap attempt to stay competitive with western coalfields that  have 10 times less sulfur in their coal and thick seams that lay close to the surface and land that is already flat. A mountain top removal is done only to compete or to try to obtain some kind of cost equity with western coal competition. No eastern coal company will ever tell you that. They are supposed to put the overburden back on the mountain with original contour stripping and did for years. Itâ€™s just cheaper to push the overburden into a pristine valley and cover up a fresh water stream. No one gives damn about a coal companyâ€™s bottom line especially when the money for the most part goes out of state. In drift shaft at least we get a little trade off, more miners putting real money into local communities. You do not do MTRâ€™s just for cost effectiveness and justify the environmental damage.<br />
   We destroy a lot of mountains when we try to build a good road in or out of here. That also is a necessary part of modern life, the need for safe efficient transportation. There is absolutely no need to do MTRâ€™s on the 7% they have already done as you say, except for greed. If MTR is stopped they will mine like they are supposed to, oil at 106 a barrel, you bet your sweet a*# they will go underground and mine it if that is the only way we allow them to get if. Out west when the ore weather it be silver or gold got down to a certain level per ton they did not blow up their mountains just to get the last grain. They stopped hydraulic mining out there a hundred years ago. Even in the Appalachian mountains of the north or south, just try this crap. Try to do MTR, in New York State, Pennsylvania or any other part of the Appalachian chain. What makes the coal corporations think they can come down to W.Va or East Kentucky and get by with it long term.<br />
   If you believe the hogwash about raising utility rates if you stop MTR then you just contradicted yourself. If we are only doing 7-3% MTR and 65% of the steam coal comes from out west, how do you see an increase over the 7-3%? If you stop MTR they will still strip just have to put it back on the original contour, they will not stop mining it, just cost them a little more than getting to shove all the overburden into a pristine valley. They run some pretty slick commercials for national consumption, scaring people about cost and losing the electricity. Down here in Ky. And W.Va. they just use cartoons. Which one did you fall for.</p>
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		<title>By: milton aliff</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25789</link>
		<dc:creator>milton aliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25789</guid>
		<description>HEY,  I bet your  feelings would change if you were here, as a resident, and the view you had  looked upon all your life was being blasted away, the explosions and smoke clouds just like dropping the  500 pounders in afghanistan shaking your house several times  a week. To go outside at night and see the lights on the giant equipment on your horizon, the constant droning of the trucks and equipment filling the air. The black cloud over  everyones head that still has the will to look up. Would youlike to have a family owned property that is loosing value everyday? No, I did not think so. Having only one school in the community that has not been torn down or closed due to the lack of children because so many hundreds of families have had to leave the state for work or unwilling to live  under the terrorism of big coal anymore. Just where are all these jobs that coal mining the MTR way provides? HUH? All the stores and other businesses that have closed the doors due to lack of customers? Would anyone care to answer why it is that since Massey Energy came to the area with its union busting ways that that the towns and communities have become a shadow of their former selves? Yes, we all have seen the mine wars that were fought here in the mid and late 1980,s that left people with houses shot up , autos destroyed. the men who were jumped and beaten till they were unrecognizable. Yes there was great evil done upon both sides of the war. The loser, most  would agree is everyone but the few who went to work for Massey w/o being laid off later or crippled or killed on the job due to the outstanding regard for men that the Massey co has. Yes I will stand for mountains, the people, those who have no ability or means to fight. Political parties mean nothing at all as long as big coal can buy its way. The current administration has the most pathetic excuse for a mine board in recent memory. Even flagrant violations can get nowhere in this climate. Lawyers are hanging their head with a sigh beacause they know they will not be heard in washington. But I leave the  original feeling that  had me start this response. I know the rest of  the country will not see the truth about our situation due to the media and their lack of ability to cover any of this. They cant! Many have sold their souls to king coal. Many many times have concerned residents tried to get them to  check on our situation in the coal fields and report their findings to no avail. We know we are next on the list to be terrorized because of the gas companies running rampant in the area drilling wells and laying miles of pipe to move the gas out of here and to de-gasify the coal beds. Yet we cannot get natural gas for heating our homes in this area. WV should have a sign that reads WV, it,s FOR SALE! Make an offer. Our bought and paid for governor will contact you. 
Sigh, this is enough for now but I will pray for an end to destruction of our land. Funny how the big name eco groups  have not came here to get the word out. No matter what all the groups do to try to fight for what they believe in no major media groups will show it to the country. We can hardly get a mention even on the local news unless someone gets arrested. 
goodnight all
milt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY,  I bet your  feelings would change if you were here, as a resident, and the view you had  looked upon all your life was being blasted away, the explosions and smoke clouds just like dropping the  500 pounders in afghanistan shaking your house several times  a week. To go outside at night and see the lights on the giant equipment on your horizon, the constant droning of the trucks and equipment filling the air. The black cloud over  everyones head that still has the will to look up. Would youlike to have a family owned property that is loosing value everyday? No, I did not think so. Having only one school in the community that has not been torn down or closed due to the lack of children because so many hundreds of families have had to leave the state for work or unwilling to live  under the terrorism of big coal anymore. Just where are all these jobs that coal mining the MTR way provides? HUH? All the stores and other businesses that have closed the doors due to lack of customers? Would anyone care to answer why it is that since Massey Energy came to the area with its union busting ways that that the towns and communities have become a shadow of their former selves? Yes, we all have seen the mine wars that were fought here in the mid and late 1980,s that left people with houses shot up , autos destroyed. the men who were jumped and beaten till they were unrecognizable. Yes there was great evil done upon both sides of the war. The loser, most  would agree is everyone but the few who went to work for Massey w/o being laid off later or crippled or killed on the job due to the outstanding regard for men that the Massey co has. Yes I will stand for mountains, the people, those who have no ability or means to fight. Political parties mean nothing at all as long as big coal can buy its way. The current administration has the most pathetic excuse for a mine board in recent memory. Even flagrant violations can get nowhere in this climate. Lawyers are hanging their head with a sigh beacause they know they will not be heard in washington. But I leave the  original feeling that  had me start this response. I know the rest of  the country will not see the truth about our situation due to the media and their lack of ability to cover any of this. They cant! Many have sold their souls to king coal. Many many times have concerned residents tried to get them to  check on our situation in the coal fields and report their findings to no avail. We know we are next on the list to be terrorized because of the gas companies running rampant in the area drilling wells and laying miles of pipe to move the gas out of here and to de-gasify the coal beds. Yet we cannot get natural gas for heating our homes in this area. WV should have a sign that reads WV, it,s FOR SALE! Make an offer. Our bought and paid for governor will contact you.<br />
Sigh, this is enough for now but I will pray for an end to destruction of our land. Funny how the big name eco groups  have not came here to get the word out. No matter what all the groups do to try to fight for what they believe in no major media groups will show it to the country. We can hardly get a mention even on the local news unless someone gets arrested.<br />
goodnight all<br />
milt</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25761</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-25761</guid>
		<description>I don't get it.  In most counties, less than 7% of the land has or will be mountaintopped; most is under 3%.  What is the difference between that and the ecological change brought on by urban areas that occupy far greater percentages of land?  These urban areas are one of the drivers for mountaintop mining or any coal mining; these people demand the electricity.

One thing about it, the USA can do just about anything.  We put a man on the moon so if we want to elimanate MTR or even drastically reduce coal fired electricity pollutants, we can do it.  Just be prepared to pay 10 or 20 times your current electric bill.  Wind, solar, nuclear all have many years of research before they are viable so don't even think that will solve your problems in our lifetime.  Just pay up and we can do it.  Be glad to.

One final thought; do you know what the number one producer of mercury emissions is?  Note how all the green websites always use the term industry for noting that coal fired electricity generation produces mercury emissions.  Forest fires produce far more mercury emissions so maybe we should cut down all the trees????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it.  In most counties, less than 7% of the land has or will be mountaintopped; most is under 3%.  What is the difference between that and the ecological change brought on by urban areas that occupy far greater percentages of land?  These urban areas are one of the drivers for mountaintop mining or any coal mining; these people demand the electricity.</p>
<p>One thing about it, the USA can do just about anything.  We put a man on the moon so if we want to elimanate MTR or even drastically reduce coal fired electricity pollutants, we can do it.  Just be prepared to pay 10 or 20 times your current electric bill.  Wind, solar, nuclear all have many years of research before they are viable so don&#8217;t even think that will solve your problems in our lifetime.  Just pay up and we can do it.  Be glad to.</p>
<p>One final thought; do you know what the number one producer of mercury emissions is?  Note how all the green websites always use the term industry for noting that coal fired electricity generation produces mercury emissions.  Forest fires produce far more mercury emissions so maybe we should cut down all the trees????</p>
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